Friday, March 2, 2012

Science and Religion: Knowledge

As a guideline of what constitutes Religious and Scientific knowledge, here is a generally accepted framework.

Scientific knowledge is:
Inferred from natural (empirical) phenomena and/or experience (a posteriori)
Testable (Inferences tested using independent, empirical data)
Falsifiable (skeptical, never get at Truth with a capital "T")
Provisional (subject to change based on future data and new theories-what you know is [probably] wrong!)

Religious knowledge is:
Faith-based (revelations from authority and/or theology, not experienced [a priori])
Supernatural (not empirically testable)
Infallible (Not falsifiable, provides Truth with a capital "T")
Dogmatic (not subject to change)

One may not be inherently better than the other, but they are mutually exclusive ways to understand the world.

References:

Feder, K. L.

1990 Epistemology: How You Know What You Know. In Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology, pp. 16-40. Fourth Edition ed. McGraw Hill, Boston.

Kuhn, T. S.

1970 The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. University of Chicago Press, Chicago.

Popper, K. R.

1999 The Logic of Scientific Discovery. Routledge, London ; New York.


*Guidance from my professor on this post.

Wednesday, February 22, 2012

A Rose by any other name: Fetus

What's in a name? 
Or in this case, what is the meaning of a word?

The topic of abortion is not an easy discussion.  It is even worse when words are mis-used.  One of my biggest pet peeves was when I would hear people say, "well fetus was just latin for little person (one)".  I've heard both versions.  I had a hypothesis that those people were not accurate in their translation.  I also had a hypothesis that they were not accurate in the context.  So, being the scholar that I am, when I can't answer something on my own, I get help. I asked for the help of my professor.  She and her husband are both latin scholars, and they gave me a print out of Lewis & Short's translation of fetus. (picture to the right).  Now, what does all this mean?

Fetus was a term for offspring, (unborn and just born) of plants and animals.  As my professor told me, THIS WAS NOT FOR HUMANS.  (Emphasis, not shouting).  We also all know that fetus, now by definition means unborn developing human from 8 weeks until birth.  So what happened?  Well, my professor thinks that fetus became the definition to dehumanize the unborn human.  I don't know if that's accurate, because I am not an expert in etymology of medical terms. 

So what does this mean for me, and for you as readers and fellow social activists?  While discussing this with my professor, including the wide spectrum spread of readers on this blog, we both acknowledged that labels divide.  We also agreed, that using words correctly is necessary to have efficient communication. 

You may all remember when I posted this on my page:
http://www.facebook.com/HighOnQuack/posts/354782821206030

Well given the new information, as well as having a very good discussion with my professor, I'm going to edit that post.  From conception to birth:  Unborn Human.  This does not change my VERY pro-choice views AT ALL.  If you all remember in that post, I ranted about people using the term "blob of tissue".  Well let me tell you, being prochoice is about being pro Informed choice.  That means pro science, AND pro using words correctly. 

So, I, Duck, am still as prochoice as one can get.  I, Duck, am still not going to tolerate using "baby" for an unborn human.  I, Duck, am still not going to tolerate using "blob of cells" for unborn human.  I don't care what you think or words you use in your personal lives.  However, on my page, when all of us, from the wide spectrum we belong to are conversing, we will be civil and use unborn human.  Abortion is not the "problem".  Abortion is a symptom of a larger and very complex system of issues. 

I am prochoice.  I am fully in support of whatever a woman wants to do when she discovers she's carrying an unborn human. 

Let's all stay civil.  Let's all use words properly.  When we do, we converse.  When we convserse, we can change the world.

Blessed Be,

Duck

Sunday, January 29, 2012

Roommate Schools My Old Teacher on Climate Change and Science

So remember that post I made to school my old school teacher?

Yeah, well Roommate took on my old teacher's climate change denying pseudo-science.  I'm sharing her mini treatise in the following.


Roomate (again):
 My credibility comes from: almost finished degree in engineering, very strong science/math background, courses in thermodynamics that encompass certain weather phenomena.

I have a few things to contribute as rebuttal to Mr. Jesmer. But first, Kudos to Peter.
 First off, there are several key phrases/bits of information included in the article itself that should be a red flag. Whenever phrases such as "economy stifling," "climate of fear," and the Wall Street Journal (when commenting on science) come together in a supposedly scientific article/argument, you know that it is not credible science. When scientist write articles or opinion pieces, they do not use these politically charged words. Unless they are economists, they do not comment on the economy. Scientific articles consist of stating the problem, detailing the scientific procedure taken to explore the problem (including assumptions made and the validity of these assumptions), presenting results, interpreting results, and offering a solution if necessary. IN ALL CASES, emotion, opinion, and politically charged words are not used, nor are they considered acceptable. The article is correct in stating that it's all about money. And this is where the lay man must be careful. Undoubtedly there will be wealthy benefactors/corporations (who would stand to lose money to change their pollution output) who will sponsor scientific research. Now, this can be a problem because they will sponsor research for the sole purpose of achieving their ends. Ergo, scientists can be pushed, and their result manipulated (by them or others) to prove the point that the benefactor wishes to see. That is not true science.

Someone said that they're trying to change it from global warming to global climate change. Now, the name is changing, yes, however, the original name was a bit deceptive to begin with. The planet is warming, true. However, it is not the kind of warming that you or I would immediately think of, it's not going to be 90 degrees in winter in Wisconsin. The warming of the globe changes weather patterns, often creating more severe weather. Given that in a climatology viewing of the name "global warming" it would be obvious that that means more extreme weather. However, the planet is not all climatologists, and everyone was confused, so the name is changing.

You may ask: why the original climate scientists should be trusted by the general public? Here's a small taste of why. These scientists are required to be very specialized within their fields. Climatology is an extremely complex science, I don't pretend to be any kind of expert, I just have an understanding of how quickly it gets messy. Analyzing weather patterns is unfathomably hard, there are 10's to 100's of thousands of variables that need to be solved for all at once. And they rely upon each other. If you remember simultaneous equations, (if not, look on wikipedia) imagine 100's of thousands of these, that are not necessarily all linear, and then try to solve them, and know what each of the variables means, and what it means if it changes, and what range it should be in, and what range of that variable corresponds to what natural phenomena, and then try to see a pattern. See what I mean? These mathematical and computer models require the most computing power available, and then require hours (or maybe days) to finish running the model. These scientists will have refined, fine-tuned, and meticulously analyzed every possible piece of every equation that has to go into the computer model before they run it. Why? Because not only does it take a really long time to run, time on these computers is really expensive. You can't run it on your desktop, not in a billion years, it'd fry. Basically, the math and the logic that have to go into this are crazy hard.

Now, there is a margin of error, there always is, in everything, nothing is exact. However, before these orginal scientists could have published or presented their findings, it was necessary for them to quantify this error, explain why it is acceptable, explain the criterion used to determine its acceptability, and then explain what happens (in real life) if it is at either extreme of their margin of error. Having error doesn't mean that they're wrong. And they wouldn't have brought this issue forward if the margin of error was too wide, or assumptions were made that were invalid.

Final point: Why I think that it is kind of pointless for the general public to debate this at all. Given how incredibly complex this is, and how the number of people who can actually make heads or tails of this kind of science is really, really small, trying to dumb it down, and put it in terms of dollars, and make it so that Joe Schmo with a high school diploma can make an informed decision (Joe being among the people who can vote and help make decisions in this country) is ludicrous. I have enough of a handle on it to say I don't even want to be the one to check if you're right, you've spent the time, and you have the credentials that I will trust your (the climate scientist's) judgement and conclusions on this matter, so long as it is peer reviewed, un-biased, and follows the method described in the first paragraph. Personally I think everyone else should take this advice as well.





Blessed Be,

Duck

Wednesday, December 21, 2011

Blasphemy?

My Dear Readers,

Blasphemy? Part A

Did you know telling "Christians" that Jesus preached the Golden Rule is Blasphemy?  I kid you not readers.  I commented against supporting terrorist Randall Terry (in my comments I mistakenly call him Terry Randall) in a post by mentioning the Golden Rule.  I got deleted/"moderated" for blaspheming.  No, I'm not kidding.  Use the time stamps in the copy and paste, to see where they would have been in the thread pre-deletion.

Here's the related link:
http://www.jillstanek.com/2011/12/pro-lifers-crash-abortion-christmas-party/

So, I copied all the comments I made about it with the time stamp.  Let you judge for yourself if it's blasphemy.

Duck says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 21, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Wow, good job perpetuating the terrorist image of pro-lifers! ::Applause:: for Terry Randall and his terrorist groups, you just keep giving people in the moderate middle of this issue more reason to keep agreeing with the pro-choicers who aren’t terrorizing people.
Hmmm… I wonder how Terry Randall and/or those who support him and his tactics would feel if their Christmas party was disrupted like this? Didn’t Jesus say treat others how you’d like to be treated? So either Terry Randall isn’t following Jesus’ Golden Rule, or he wants everyone else to treat him like that.
Stupid terrorists.

Duck says:
December 21, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Amber,
using pre-cancelled checks is illegal. So is bouncing them. I don’t know how much enforcement there is on either. But it is illegal.

Duck says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 21, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Courtnay,
Look up terrorist in the dictionary, and Terry Randall’s picture should be underneath it. So should OBL, so should anyone else who thinks that their “message” is so important that they are allowed to break the law, harrass people, scare people into being compliant etc. That’s not what happens in abortion. You just wish to call it that. At least if you’re going to start pointing your finger at abortions as being terrorizing, realize 3 fingers are still pointing back at you and your terrorizing friends.
“Treat others how you would want to be treated.” Funny how that rule from Jesus, and taught in every other relgious and non religious moral code seems to be forgotten by terrorists. Golden Rule trumps ends justify the means.
Terry Randall, his group, and his supporters, are terrorists and terrorist supporters.

Carla says:
December 21, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Duck
I suggest you END all references to Jesus in this thread or I will continue to delete your comments.
You don’t like Randall Terry? Fine.

Duck says:
December 21, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Carla,
Why is saying that Jesus preached the Golden Rule worthy of deletion? Is it because I’m prochoice that I’m not worthy of speaking his name to you? How nice. I’m not blaspheming. I’m not swearing. On what grounds is speaking about that deserving of deletion?

Carla says:
December 21, 2011 at 4:03 pm
I have the right as a mod to delete comments that break the rules.
Nothing to do with you being proabortion duck but you go on and just keep thinking that.
It was blasphemous.
If you don’t like religion “shoved down your throat” then stop bringing it up. LOL

Duck says:
December 21, 2011 at 4:04 pm
I don’t care if people talk religion down to me. Please show me where I said that. I’m not being blasphemus to say that Jesus taught the Golden Rule. Have you read the bible lately?

Yeah, that really just happened. *facepalm*


But Readers, that's not all.  While I was being "moderated" on that first thread, I was also being "moderated" on another thread, apparantly again for blasphemy.

Blasphemy Part B

On this thread, a "Quote of the Day" piece about Rick Santorum, resulted in me making a critique about his founding father assertion.  Yeah, that got "moderated" too.  Again, use the time stamp in the copy and paste to see where the comment would have been.

Here's the link:

http://www.jillstanek.com/2011/12/rick-santorum-its-the-morality-not-just-the-economy-stupid/

And here are the comments:

Duck says:
December 21, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Founding fathers mentioned nothing about marriage, nothing about the “unborn”. They also purposely decided to not form an established church and that the public spheres of government shall be separate from the private spheres of religion. Me thinks he needs to re-read the constitution, and the notes from the Constitutional convention.

Duck says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
December 21, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Creator does not automatically equal God. Just sayin. Creator could mean every religious creation story under the sun, and it includes science. The creation of man was evolution.

Duck says:
December 21, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Why is ^Comment of mine at 2:36 awaiting moderation?

I got no response to that last question, but I imagine it's because I was the same reason as on the other thread I was commenting on simultaneously.

So Readers...

Was it blasphemy?



Duck

Sunday, November 20, 2011

Thoughts from a Duck 11/20/11

Thought #1
I'm very excited to be one of the recall walker gatherers of signatures. :)  I filled two pages on the first day after I printed them.  I can't wait to vote for him out of office.  Such abuses of power will not stand in a democracy.
Thought #2
I'm also thinking, that I may just have to take a trip to the hospital.  I'm getting sick far too often.  I may just have to eat the cost of the deductible.  I should just have them run all their tests and stuff (yay pincushions) to figure out if there's a reason for my frequent and bad illnesses.  I mean Roommate will get a cold, and then I get bronchitis.  She got bronchitis and I got bronchitis and an ear infection in both ears.  That was just two weeks ago, and I'm sick with something serious again.  It's not like I'm really unhealthy... I mean, I eat good food, nutritionally balanced, I exercise in the form of walking everywhere, (I'd like to do more, but it's hard to work out when you're sick all the time), I stay away from unhealthy things, so it seems that my only thing is my pre-existing health, and living in Milwaukee.  But this has all preceded my move to Milwaukee, so is it living in the U.S.?

Well, now we might be on to something... We live in a country that uses Free Market, pay for it if you can afford it Sick Care.  We are the only "industrialized" nation that does this.  All of the other "first world" nations have universal Health Care.  Which means, that the whole country gets to see the doctor, whether or not they're poor, middle class, or wealthy, because it's subsidized.  So, they don't have to wait til their deathly ill to show up at the E.R. or borrow money for a copay to see the doc.  The second they realize something is a bit off, or Socialism Forbid, their yearly/semi-yearly preventative health check up, they can find out if there's an illness/abnormality/etc afoot and get it taken care of.  Hmmm... Ironically this makes the whole country healthier, because people aren't walking around with massive contagions cause they can't afford to see the doctor.  It also means, that stuff like the cold stay a cold, and don't turn into bronchitis, pneumonia, or any other thing (Swine flu, curse you, I'm talking about you!)

Now, before I get anyone complaining about damn, whiny, freeloading, %)@(*^, let me first say this... If you've never suffered from being this sick all the time, then you have NO FUCKING IDEA how hard it is to hold down a job while being chronically ill.  Also, I pay for my own insurance out of pocket.  My rates keep getting jacked up, and I'm not "eligible" to change plans unless I want to give up half my coverage and double my premium and deductible, because of my "pre-existing" conditions.  So, basically, I'm just screwed.  That is, unless we finally pass a universal health care plan in the U.S. with a single payer option, that will allow me and the millions of people like me, to get the help and care we need and deserve.  Cause let me tell you, I'd love to not lose another effing job because of my health.  It's quite demoralizing.

Thought #3
This one is more general, but it's a slight bit of a rant.  If people weren't so ethnocentric, if we understood the difference between science and philosophy, and the difference between morality and legality, our CIVIC discourse would be much improved.  Instead, we have a great many people who are behaving ethnocentrically, and can't tell the difference between natural and learned/cultural traits, who can't tell the difference between science and philosophy, and don't want there to be a difference between morality and legality.  *sigh*  Good thing the founding fathers wanted the separation of Church and state so we can have a functioning society... oh wait, those same people don't understand that either.



Alright, time for me to go lay down again.  If tonight is anything like last night was, I'll be going to the E.R. and saying run all the tests!

Blessed Be Everyone,

Duck

Saturday, October 1, 2011

Major Depression and How it Can be Modeled Mathematically, aka Ctrl+Alt+Del=Fixed

Guest posting from Roommate...

It's quite funny I swear.  Written as she would speak this story out loud.
From the persepective of the helplessly confused roommate.

Major Depression and How it Can be Modeled MathematicallySo, when major depression/anxiety rear their ugly heads because a specific problem, it often goes something like this: "If I can't fix this problem, I'm going to die." This has a couple different permutations.
1) "If I can't fix this problem, the problem will make me die." 2) "If I can't fix this problem, it's useless for me to be here so I might as well die." or 3) "If I can't fix this problem, the problem will make me die and therefore it's useless for me to be here since the problem will kill me anyways so I should just die."
These are infinte while loops. Which is a problem. In math/MATLAB programming, an infinite while loop could look somthing like this:
x=1
while y<=7
        y=5-x
        x=x+1
end
This means that the loop will contine until y is less than or equal to 7. The loop will stop when the loop reaches something larger than 7. But, x starts at 1 and x increases by one after every loop. So 5 minus an increasingly positive number will never ever be greater than 7. Therefore the loop just keeps going infinitely and y gets increasingly closer to negative infinity. In MATLAB, when this happens, it makes your computer freeze up because you can't do anything while the computer is running the program, and since it just runs forever your computer stops allowing you to do anything but look at an empty MATLAB screen. You can try whatever MATLAB commands you want and it won't make the program stop because it's stuck trying to make a negative number be greater than 7. Which won't ever happen. This is annoying, and can only be remedied by pushing ctrl+alt+delete, ending MATLAB, and fixing the program to eliminate the infinite while loop.

Relating this back to depression...Remeber the list from before? Well those are infinite while loops. And you can try whatever you want, clc, clear, ctrl+c and they aren't going to do a damn thing. And so you'll probably end up thinking well maybe if I try them in a different order....ctrl+c, clc, clear? No? Damn. clc, ctrl+c, clear? No? Damn. ctrl+c, clear, clc? No? Damn. clear, clc, ctrl+c? No? Damn. clear, ctrl+c, clc? No? Damnit I'm out of combinations! And then you remember ctrl+alt+delete. But you don't have the tools to do that so you bring the person in to the psychiatric ward thed they go ctrl+alt+delete and after they are able to end the program they eliminate the infinite loop and go: "FIXED! Here you go." Then you go "Gee thanks! If I had the pyschiatric training I would have done it myself!" And then you go home, and all is significantly better and problems can again be fixed with basic commands like ctrl+c, clc, or clear.

And that is how major depression can be modelled using MATLAB and math.

Sunday, September 11, 2011

Duck remembers 9/11

For as much as this particular "9/11 remembered" meme has been extremely hyped by the mainstream media, today, the day of the anniversary, I'll share my thoughts on it.

I was a freshman in college that day. I didn't have any early classes, and so I was just starting to wake up when my mother called me and told me to turn on the TV. It was like 8 in the morning or something. My mom was lucky I answered, because I usually didn't answer her early morning phone calls. So I turned on the TV and one of the WTC towers was burning. I got off the phone with my mom and knocked on my neighbors’ door. They were watching it too, we were just completely shocked. A couple minutes after I went in their room, we watched the second plane hit the towers. We were horrified. I went back to my room to get dressed for the day, and they yelled for me to come back. I ran back in there to watch the towers fall with them. I could not stop thinking about how all those people were still in the building. The government ordered all planes out of the air. My first class of the day was now approaching at ten am. So as I'm rushing to class, lots of planes, very low to the ground are rushing over campus on their way to the airport to land. I wasn't the only student ducking every time one of them passed so low over the high-rises. It was frightening. My campus organized a last minute vigil for the whole campus in the cathedral. So many people went it was standing room only. Most of the service was spent hugging the people next to us, regardless if we knew them. The next few days were surreal. It was difficult to imagine why someone would do that. Little did I know then, how much would change.

Our President at the time, made lots of boastful speeches about hunting down every person involved, and justice, and revenge, and yadda yadda yadda. He immediately launched a war on a country for the simple fault of harboring the terrorist organization that attacked us. To show how little he actually cared for the justice of our terrorist attack, when he had the perpetrators in the midst, he abandons the mission to start another war in a different land. Nearly 8 years of his Presidency post 9/11... We had two open wars, we hadn't caught the perpetrators of the attack, and he ordered and supported measures that violate the Geneva conventions including torture and black site prisons. We ignorantly removed the autocratic factions of government from power in two countries without rebuilding the infrastructure for replacement, and without understanding the power of sectarian violence and animosity of the local population. We lost so many of our liberties in the name of "security", which means we deserve neither. Islamophobia is still at breakneck level. Criticizing the war is still tantamount to being un-American. He left office with trillions in debt where there would have been a surplus, because he refused to allow any measures to increase revenue to pay for our wars. He left office with the perpetrators of 9/11 still at large. He left office with war crimes committed. He left office with innocent native populations dead and decimated, and high US casualties. He left office with our country worse off than the day we were attacked.

Let's not forget those who died because of 9/11. ALL OF THEM. We have the people who were in the planes and the buildings who died. We have the first responders who ran into the towers when everyone else ran out... they died that day, or now have the death sentence of terminal cancers. We have the soldiers who fought on foreign soils in the name of seeking justice that wasn't found. We have the innocent native populations that were killed because of our campaign of war instead of our campaign of investigation and justice. We have soldiers coming home and killing themselves because of the government's willful denial of the reality of PTSD. We have because of our vengeful tactics, inspired more fanaticism and hatred for our country, resulting in the possible death of more people. None of this happened because of justice. This all happened because a terrorist group attacked us, and we played right into their hand. Instead of justice we sought war. The two are not the same.

As I remember 9/11 on the ten year anniversary, I think about how I wish we handled it better. I wish our president then, and now, would have acted like Norway's president did when Anders let loose on that camp of youth. Bush made many speeches about the war on terror, one of his most infamous was this quote...“We’re gonna hunt ‘em down. We’re gonna smoke ‘em out of their caves. We’re going to get them dead or alive.” On the other hand, Stoltenberg said this... the response would not to let terrorism defeat Norway’s “core values of openness, democracy and participation”. Which one sounds like justice and which one sounds like vengeance?

My point I guess, is that I will remember those who died one 9/11 and because of it. All of them. I will remember those injured, maimed, imprisoned, etc on 9/11 and because of it. I will remember all of the people who perpetuated casualties in illegal ways instead of seeking justice and peace. I will not glorify our "wars" in the name of the 9/11 dead. I am ashamed of what has been and still is being committed in their name.

War perpetuates more war. Peace and justice perpetuate more peace and justice.

Blessed Be,

Duck

P.S. The link to the article with many quote comparisons between USA and Norway is here...

For as much as this particular "9/11 remembered" meme has been extremely hyped by the mainstream media, today, the day of the anniversary, I'll share my thoughts on it.

I was a freshman in college that day. I didn't have any early classes, and so I was just starting to wake up when my mother called me and told me to turn on the TV. It was like 8 in the morning or something. My mom was lucky I answered, because I usually didn't answer her early morning phone calls. So I turned on the TV and one of the WTC towers was burning. I got off the phone with my mom and knocked on my neighbors’ door. They were watching it too, we were just completely shocked. A couple minutes after I went in their room, we watched the second plane hit the towers. We were horrified. I went back to my room to get dressed for the day, and they yelled for me to come back. I ran back in there to watch the towers fall with them. I could not stop thinking about how all those people were still in the building. The government ordered all planes out of the air. My first class of the day was now approaching at ten am. So as I'm rushing to class, lots of planes, very low to the ground are rushing over campus on their way to the airport to land. I wasn't the only student ducking every time one of them passed so low over the high-rises. It was frightening. My campus organized a last minute vigil for the whole campus in the cathedral. So many people went it was standing room only. Most of the service was spent hugging the people next to us, regardless if we knew them. The next few days were surreal. It was difficult to imagine why someone would do that. Little did I know then, how much would change.

Our President at the time, made lots of boastful speeches about hunting down every person involved, and justice, and revenge, and yadda yadda yadda. He immediately launched a war on a country for the simple fault of harboring the terrorist organization that attacked us. To show how little he actually cared for the justice of our terrorist attack, when he had the perpetrators in the midst, he abandons the mission to start another war in a different land. Nearly 8 years of his Presidency post 9/11... We had two open wars, we hadn't caught the perpetrators of the attack, and he ordered and supported measures that violate the Geneva conventions including torture and black site prisons. We ignorantly removed the autocratic factions of government from power in two countries without rebuilding the infrastructure for replacement, and without understanding the power of sectarian violence and animosity of the local population. We lost so many of our liberties in the name of "security", which means we deserve neither. Islamophobia is still at breakneck level. Criticizing the war is still tantamount to being un-American. He left office with trillions in debt where there would have been a surplus, because he refused to allow any measures to increase revenue to pay for our wars. He left office with the perpetrators of 9/11 still at large. He left office with war crimes committed. He left office with innocent native populations dead and decimated, and high US casualties. He left office with our country worse off than the day we were attacked.

Let's not forget those who died because of 9/11. ALL OF THEM. We have the people who were in the planes and the buildings who died. We have the first responders who ran into the towers when everyone else ran out... they died that day, or now have the death sentence of terminal cancers. We have the soldiers who fought on foreign soils in the name of seeking justice that wasn't found. We have the innocent native populations that were killed because of our campaign of war instead of our campaign of investigation and justice. We have soldiers coming home and killing themselves because of the government's willful denial of the reality of PTSD. We have because of our vengeful tactics, inspired more fanaticism and hatred for our country, resulting in the possible death of more people. None of this happened because of justice. This all happened because a terrorist group attacked us, and we played right into their hand. Instead of justice we sought war. The two are not the same.

As I remember 9/11 on the ten year anniversary, I think about how I wish we handled it better. I wish our president then, and now, would have acted like Norway's president did when Anders let loose on that camp of youth. Bush made many speeches about the war on terror, one of his most infamous was this quote...“We’re gonna hunt ‘em down. We’re gonna smoke ‘em out of their caves. We’re going to get them dead or alive.” On the other hand, Stoltenberg said this... the response would not to let terrorism defeat Norway’s “core values of openness, democracy and participation”. Which one sounds like justice and which one sounds like vengeance?

My point I guess, is that I will remember those who died one 9/11 and because of it. All of them. I will remember those injured, maimed, imprisoned, etc on 9/11 and because of it. I will remember all of the people who perpetuated casualties in illegal ways instead of seeking justice and peace. I will not glorify our "wars" in the name of the 9/11 dead. I am ashamed of what has been and still is being committed in their name.

War perpetuates more war. Peace and justice perpetuate more peace and justice.

Blessed Be,

Duck

P.S. The link to the article with many quote comparisons between USA and Norway is here...
http://www.crispinhull.com.au/2011/07/30/norway-beats-us-in-war-on-terror/